| geek_coastie_78 | October 10, 2008, 2:21 pm | #1 |
| How do I secure my wireless Its a Belkin G wireless router and im running Vista on TelstraClearAll help appreaciated :) |
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| geek_kgbatussr | October 10, 2008, 2:22 pm | #2 |
| Most people forget tochange the distance settings... |
| geek_coastie_78 | October 10, 2008, 2:27 pm | #3 |
| Forget??? Where do I go to that? |
| geek_chapadao | October 10, 2008, 2:31 pm | #4 |
| Read the manual for a start. use wpa/wpa2, much better than wep |
| geek_spyware | October 10, 2008, 4:01 pm | #5 |
| Can you please tell me what a "distance setting" actually is? |
| geek_mone | October 10, 2008, 4:27 pm | #6 |
| Re: spyware Range of your router. Whether it will send signals 50m or 10m. Security risk. |
| geek_chapadao | October 10, 2008, 4:33 pm | #7 |
| Onloy a security risk if you use NO or cRAPPY encryption. Use at least wpa, and use a wpa key that is random liek "Z0MG I aM 4 Fu|2kInG Fr1tT3R" rather than 'butterflies' |
| geek_mone | October 10, 2008, 4:55 pm | #8 |
| You can get arrested for hacking into a wireless connection. Kinda not worth it when you can get your own broadband for $50. $50 or criminal conviction? I'll go for the $50. |
| geek_chapadao | October 10, 2008, 5:06 pm | #9 |
| Plz give me an example of any case in NZ, of ANYONE being 'criminally convicted' of 'hacking' into an unsecured wireless network in New zealand. thnx |
| geek_vtecintegra | October 10, 2008, 6:23 pm | #10 |
| An unsecured wireless network broadcasting an SSID is an explicit invitation for clients to connect. There is absolutely no hacking involved, and many devices will connect automatically without the user doing anything. |
| geek_badcam | October 10, 2008, 6:24 pm | #11 |
| What is the Model Number of your router? . |
| geek_vtecintegra | October 10, 2008, 6:24 pm | #12 |
| 2Bollocks, so long as you use proper encryption it doesn't matter what power the router is transmitting at. Remember also that just because your laptop can't get a connection down by the gate that doesn't mean that someone with better equipment can't. |
| geek_ctnz | October 10, 2008, 6:25 pm | #13 |
| So do I tell my neighbour or just Keep downloading major files off his connection? |
| geek_vtecintegra | October 10, 2008, 6:27 pm | #14 |
| Tell him/her to secure the connection properly. If nothing else it's the neigbourly thing to do. |
| geek_badcam | October 10, 2008, 6:30 pm | #15 |
| Assuming all belkin routers are the sametype 192.168.2.1 into your browsers address bar. You then click Login. Assuming you haven't already set up an Admin password,just click submit.The default password is blank. Let us know if you get in.... |
| geek_badcam | October 10, 2008, 6:33 pm | #16 |
| Coastie? |
| geek_badcam | October 10, 2008, 6:36 pm | #17 |
| You really need to tell us what your Router's model number is. |
| geek_badcam | October 10, 2008, 6:39 pm | #18 |
| 14. VC is correct. Wireless strength is irrelevant if you are using good security settings. WPA or WPA2. |
| geek_spyware | October 10, 2008, 6:54 pm | #19 |
| Given any wireless access point/router I've dealt with, maybe 20 or so, didn't allow changing of the transmit signal strength I can't understand why "distance setting" would even be mentioned on this forum. Tranmit distance is dependent on what the signal has to penetrate anyway so can't be accurately measured by a layperson. |
| geek_tptrader | October 10, 2008, 7:01 pm | #20 |
| there was an example of exactly that on the news tonight. Could be an interesting precedent. |
| geek_nosnibor2 | October 10, 2008, 7:42 pm | #21 |
| Mac address filtering seems to keep my neighbors out :) |
| geek_badcam | October 10, 2008, 7:44 pm | #22 |
| 21. When will you people learn. MAC address can be spoofed in seconds. They will NOT protect you. The only security is WPA or WPA2 AND a damned good password. |
| geek_aejhfraser | October 10, 2008, 7:51 pm | #23 |
| Even Then Passwords can be cracked, given timeThere are fancy protocols for pre shared certificates, but now you're talking business wireless. For example RADIUS |
| geek_nosnibor2 | October 10, 2008, 7:54 pm | #24 |
| Orly thanks for that advice badcam :) |
| geek_badcam | October 10, 2008, 7:59 pm | #25 |
| 23. Simple passwords. It would be incredibly unlikely for a password such as one of these to be cracked. The only way would be brute force and that would take a lot of processing power and a long long time, or just unbelievably pure luck: https://www.grc.com/passwords.htm |
| geek_badcam | October 10, 2008, 8:00 pm | #26 |
| 24. Sorry about being so 'ornery, but MAC addresses are just not enough. |
| geek_badcam | October 10, 2008, 8:02 pm | #27 |
| 25. And besides, why would they bother trying to crack a router that has strong encryption. You just move on to the next easy target. Someone that only has MAC filtering for instance, or WEP. |
| geek_sirfer | October 10, 2008, 8:03 pm | #28 |
| you crack me up LOL |
| geek_badcam | October 10, 2008, 8:06 pm | #29 |
| While your at it nosnibor. Have a listen to Episodes 11 & 13. In fact, after that, I'd start from Episode 1& work your way through. It's well worth the time and it's fun. |
| geek_coastie_78 | October 10, 2008, 11:27 pm | #30 |
| SorryHave been buzy this arvo & tonightThe model number is F5D7230au4Is that the model number? I have gone into the security but don't know what to do from thereI see the WAP-Private etc... |
| geek_ferita | October 10, 2008, 11:43 pm | #31 |
| Re: 25 Cracking wep and wpa keys has very little to do with brute force and a lot to do with exploiting vulnerabilities on the assumed and known values in the hmac function. You should read some of the research my mate Seth Fogie has done rather then someone like Steve Gibson who has no idea about security. |
| geek_vtecintegra | October 10, 2008, 11:47 pm | #32 |
| Bet you there wasn't. Cracking a poorly secured network maybe, but certainly not an unsecured one. |
| geek_mone | October 11, 2008, 4:32 am | #33 |
| chapadao You obviously don't watch the news much. A man is in custody after being caught running downloads off a neighbours network. Especially when you check your email or user-specific websites, the web cache will be accessed by the ISP and the Police. |
| geek_mone | October 11, 2008, 12:40 pm | #34 |
| Lol . |
| geek_central.one | October 11, 2008, 1:33 pm | #35 |
| I just set up a password and now the *&^%$# wireless won't work! I also have a Belkin N1 MIMO router, and it has a little blue padlock lit up on it. The only way I can get the internet working is to plug in the ethernet cable. Suggestions, anyone? |
| geek_badcam | October 11, 2008, 2:13 pm | #36 |
| You have to give the same password to your laptop or PC that uses Wifi. Have you done that? |
| geek_julieandcasper | October 11, 2008, 2:15 pm | #37 |
| Also I'm wondering if when you enabled WPA you unticked the "enable wireless access point" ? or maybe "Enable SSID broadcast" ? |
| geek_central.one | October 11, 2008, 2:19 pm | #38 |
| Badcam - how do I do that? I am using Vista. Julieandcaspar - I'm not sure if something was unticked. If I go back in to the Belkin site and login again when I get home I will have a look and see. |
| geek_badcam | October 11, 2008, 2:20 pm | #39 |
| 31.It's a home network we're talking about here. WPA is a damned site harder to crack than WEP. A wardriver is not going to try and crack a WPA Wifi secure network when the next person down the road h?as lessor security. As for Seth Fogie, I'll take a look. I don't suppose that you have a link where he discusses the vulnerability of WPA. Steve Gibson is very highly respected in the security industry. His podcasts are great because he explains simply and easily about many aspects of computer security. For people that know nothing about security issues, he's a great place to start. |
| geek_teroopu | October 11, 2008, 2:43 pm | #40 |
| Why dont we all just leave them open? If everybody did that and happily shared, would this not be the ultimate in p2p? imagine that would kill 3g, just leach of the nearest wireless deveice. |
| geek_julieandcasper | October 11, 2008, 2:46 pm | #41 |
| WEP you can crack, I don't think WPA is crackable at all from what I've read. I'd be interested to know how hard it is to gain access to a wireless system by spoofing a mac address.. not the spoofing part I know how to do that..I have a single port pinholed in a router at work that is set to a specific MAC address only and the device it is set for is seldom used. I would think this would be fairly safe. There is no software listening on the port otherwise from the network. I think from what I've read an attacker would either have to have access to the network to get the ip address of the device it's set to during the time the device is attached in the first place or else be able to sniff the traffic from this single device. Neither is very likely imho. Even if someone in range were trying which also isn't very likely. Any thoughts? I could probably also set it up it's own password. |
| geek_badcam | October 11, 2008, 2:46 pm | #42 |
| Do you know what the SSID name is? I don't have Vista to hand, but either in the bottom right hand corner, they'll be a Network Icon that you can click and it should show you available Wifi networks. If you see it let us know. Or, go into the Control panel and look for Wifi Settings / Network Connection/Wifif Settings or some such. |
| geek_julieandcasper | October 11, 2008, 2:48 pm | #43 |
| The idea is this single device on a single port is outside the normal requirements for use with our proxy server or other security. |
| geek_badcam | October 11, 2008, 2:48 pm | #44 |
| 31. I had a look at one of Seth's articles. This is just the first article I came across, but he almost says the same thing as I said in 25. "As we've learned, cracking the password is no simple matter. Due to the WPA design, an attacker must have an insider's understanding of how the packets are created and how their data is used to secure a WPA-PSK network (or a tool that does this for the attacker). Our example provided a test using a previously known password. To successfully crack a random network, an attacker must have a large dictionary file, a powerful computer, and a little luck in order to obtain the password. Fortunately, this isn't as easy as it sounds." He knows that using a good password keeps WPA secure. I'll keep reading though. |
| geek_badcam | October 11, 2008, 3:06 pm | #45 |
| Central One. I assume that you have a PC connected via an ethernet cable to your router. Is that true? If not, can you do this? |
| geek_central.one | October 11, 2008, 3:10 pm | #46 |
| Badcam - I am at work at the moment, but on Vista, do I go into Control Panel, Network and Internet sharing centre, set up a connection or network, then set up a wireless router or access point, then put in the password I created in the Belkin site? Currently I can only make the laptop work with the ethernet connection. Thanks in advance. |
| geek_julieandcasper | October 11, 2008, 3:14 pm | #47 |
| When you say Belkin site, you mean your Belkin router, right? And yeah, what you said is how I always do it, though I'm on xp, not vista. |
| geek_badcam | October 11, 2008, 3:14 pm | #48 |
| Great. So at least with the ethernet connection you can still get into the router. When will you be back home? I have to go out know, but I have a Vista laptop that I can start up later on. Besides, others here can help I'm sure. |
| geek_julieandcasper | October 11, 2008, 3:16 pm | #49 |
| Not me, not with vista. :) Never used it. I'm sure some other vista user will pipe up though. |
| geek_central.one | October 11, 2008, 3:42 pm | #50 |
| I will be home around 6pm so I will have a look then. I naively assumed that the system would be automatic or something.I didn't realise I would have to put the password into my laptop. The name of the network is the name I have called the Wireless connection on my Belkin router, I presume. |
| geek_julieandcasper | October 11, 2008, 3:50 pm | #51 |
| Yeah the ssid has to be the samenormally though (at least on the networks I'm familiar with) your laptop will detect the network and merely ask you to put in the WPA password. (thats how my work network works. At home, otoh, I have the preferred network set up in the settings like I told you in the other thread. On your Belkin make sure the SSID is being broadcast and you have the wireless turned on; but you had the wireless working before, right? |
| geek_julieandcasper | October 11, 2008, 3:54 pm | #52 |
| The first thing to try is just to check and see if you can "see" the available networks and then choose to connect to yours. In windows xp I accomplish this by right clicking the wireless network icon in my taskbar and choose "view available wireless networks" then just click on it. It should then prompt you for your WPA password; same one you put into your Belkin. |
| geek_mazzy1 | October 11, 2008, 3:55 pm | #53 |
| Yes - it was working perfectly well, and everything turned to custard after I had logged on to the Belkin http address and put in my password. I had a thought that perhaps I should have done a restart or something. I'm not as smart as I thought I was....Anyway, I will try and do it manually when I get home from work. Thanks for the support! |
| geek_julieandcasper | October 11, 2008, 3:56 pm | #54 |
| If you haven't got a similar icon then try in your control panel and look for something like "network connections" and try opening it. |
| geek_julieandcasper | October 11, 2008, 3:57 pm | #55 |
| Yeah well don't worry I'm sure it won't be that hard to figure out. :) |
| geek_got2bin2win | October 11, 2008, 4:00 pm | #56 |
| I have one of those routers But using XP & not to sure how different it would be, but can't you just simply click on the wireless connection in the task bar, then view wireless connections, your's should show by default ssid name with security enabled wpa or wpa2, then click on connect it should ask for pass word then confirm then say connecting, acquiring ip address, if it doesn't Ethernet wire it up address the router change the password temporarily to just 1 & try again & report back. |
| geek_got2bin2win | October 11, 2008, 4:01 pm | #57 |
| ^ 2 slow again... |
| geek_julieandcasper | October 11, 2008, 4:01 pm | #58 |
| Yep, I agree, that's what they should try first. Hopefully it'll be that simple. Then get the laptop to remember the password so you don't have to do it again as step two. |
| geek_badcam | October 11, 2008, 4:26 pm | #59 |
| Vista tends tobe a lot easier to set up WiFi connections than XP. If you click on the network icon in the taskbar, you get several options. If you choose connect to a network, then hopefully then network will be listed and you can choose the Wifi connection that's yours and then choose Connect. You should then be asked for the password and then accept. You should then be connected. If the Wifi network doesn't show in the list, then you click"setup a connection or network". You then choose "manually connect to a wireless network". and click next. You then type in the SSID, choose the type of security, which will probably be WPA-personal or WPA2-personal, and then the password. Fill in the other options as necessary. I can't go any further, but it should just connect after that. |
| geek_julieandcasper | October 11, 2008, 5:18 pm | #60 |
| All this typing is making me hungryI'm away to get bacon/cheese burger, yum! |
| geek_central.one | October 11, 2008, 5:34 pm | #61 |
| I have a confession to makeI am a dumb*ss. A simple restart usually fixes most things, and that is ALWAYS the first port of call if things go wrong. Guess what - I just did one when I got home. News flash; it now works perfectly. I feel like a dork now. I will issue a public apology. Thanks for putting up with me, people. |
| geek_ferita | October 11, 2008, 5:48 pm | #62 |
| Re: 39 Steve gibson is not respected at all in the security industry. He is laughed at. http://www.securityfocus.com/columnists/382 |
| geek_badcam | October 11, 2008, 6:08 pm | #63 |
| 62. People don't always get good feedback. He knows far more than most people do, and I'm not going to waste my time trying to refute your link. He knows enough to point out security issues to people in a very simple way. He wouldn't have 250,000 people listening to him each month if that wasn't the case. |
| geek_ferita | October 11, 2008, 6:23 pm | #64 |
| He has no idea about security and has a messaih complex to boot. Why not read the wikipedia article about him and see just how much of a security expert he really is not. He is a snake oil sales man |
| geek_badcam | October 11, 2008, 6:30 pm | #65 |
| 64. Sure. I'll have a look. I'll do that bearing in mind that you are not allowed to alter your own (those written about you) Wiki pages. It's hard to refute something like that if you can't alter it yourself. I'll keep an open mind about it though. |
| geek_comadi | October 11, 2008, 8:05 pm | #66 |
| Coastie In the remote chance that all the above doesn't quite answer your question ;-) Ring Belkin on 0800 belkin. Its a bit of a wait listening to the crap while you wait, and get transfered to Aus then the states; and the operator I got (Hispanic ? ) was a little tricky to understand, but 35 minutes later and I was all secure :-) |
| geek_coastie_78 | October 11, 2008, 8:10 pm | #67 |
| No I rang Telstra Much easier than trying to follow directions & have kids hassling me to get off the computerSo it is now secure thanks to telstra & I only had to wait about 3 minutes!!! I did ring belkin when I first got the router and the people were in America or somewhere and couldn't understand my problem!!! :D:D:D |
| geek_julieandcasper | October 11, 2008, 8:40 pm | #68 |
| Keep the computer, sell the kids. ;) Glad you're sorted. |
| geek_badcam | October 11, 2008, 8:43 pm | #69 |
| 66. How'd you fix it in the end? |
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