| geek_0800xford | November 16, 2008, 8:08 pm | #1 |
| Full blown Debian unleashed. well this looks sensible so far - [http://is.gd/7I6j] 2 terminals? ha ha even on this pretty crap old pc it's smooth as silk. |
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| geek_badcam | November 16, 2008, 9:00 pm | #2 |
| I like the desktop background. . |
| geek_helpless | November 16, 2008, 9:03 pm | #3 |
| ,,, Looks like it was designed for National Party Hq. |
| geek_0800xford | November 16, 2008, 9:06 pm | #4 |
| the whole thing so far in a word is "slick" i'm as impressed with this as i was when i first tried ubuntu. everything works so far. |
| geek_helpless | November 16, 2008, 9:11 pm | #5 |
| No doubt after all its the basis of a lot of offshoots.The Desktop is irrelevant anyway as everyone changes the look.First impressions are important though.Bit of style never goes amiss. |
| geek_0800xford | November 16, 2008, 9:15 pm | #6 |
| this really feels like an adults computer now ha ha =p |
| geek_helpless | November 16, 2008, 9:25 pm | #7 |
| I have 20 cd's of Etch must try it sometime.. |
| geek_0800xford | November 16, 2008, 9:26 pm | #8 |
| this one is testing, etch failed to install. real PITA that was. |
| geek_helpless | November 16, 2008, 9:28 pm | #9 |
| Mmm..You only need the 1 cd anyway for the install..I got slightly carried away using up cap..) |
| geek_0800xford | November 16, 2008, 9:32 pm | #10 |
| you downloaded 20 CD's? why not DVD's? i have a 'server' full of .deb files so this doesn't even have to go online [yet] =) |
| geek_sirfer | November 16, 2008, 9:32 pm | #11 |
| Well done 0800xford :o) Glad to see you have had success at last...enjoy! PS try IceWM, if you think GNOME with 2 terminals is slick, you ain't seen nothing yet ;o) |
| geek_kane199 | November 16, 2008, 9:34 pm | #12 |
| Does the sound work? or have you got it muted lol |
| geek_0800xford | November 16, 2008, 9:38 pm | #13 |
| hey sirfer. i'm yet to try the sound. got another box with the tunes see - [Kreator - Scenarios Of Violence - 07 - Tormentor [Live].mp3] this box is just for trashing. |
| geek_kane199 | November 16, 2008, 9:38 pm | #14 |
| Lol i had your screenshot in full screen, my partner goes "oh your not using linux again" (same reso's so it fit perfectly) |
| geek_helpless | November 16, 2008, 9:39 pm | #15 |
| 10..I'm a late starter to dvd's though Yeah I have one now and have transferred the cd's to dvd.3 x 4.7 gig or theres abouts.I was thinking of the poor sods on dialup when I downloaded them.Never got round to doing anything about it.Always good to have the lot anyway in case of unforeseen circumstances. |
| geek_sirfer | November 16, 2008, 9:43 pm | #16 |
| yeah I done that too :o) Is that screenie from when the install was finished or had you made some mods by that stage? You may need to install some of the gstreamer codecs to realise the full sound capability... |
| geek_0800xford | November 16, 2008, 10:06 pm | #17 |
| default desktop. can't wait to unleash it on my 'proper' system. i hope my M-Audio 2496 plays nice! |
| geek_0800xford | November 16, 2008, 11:54 pm | #18 |
| well that's curious: it installed correctly on my main pc, first boot i got the "input not supported" floating window [yet i could still see the desktop]. fine i swapped my VGA cable to DVI, now i can't login? [i have changed nothing] |
| geek_0800xford | November 17, 2008, 12:49 am | #19 |
| using a VGA cable - http://is.gd/7Jcm |
| geek_kane199 | November 17, 2008, 12:52 am | #20 |
| It doesnt like you xD that made me lol |
| geek_0800xford | November 17, 2008, 12:56 am | #21 |
| thanks for the 'lol' dude. but seriously how fvcked is that. |
| geek_kane199 | November 17, 2008, 1:03 am | #22 |
| Is it your refresh rate? might be reporting it wrong to the screen or something. |
| geek_0800xford | November 17, 2008, 1:05 am | #23 |
| it's weird that i swap cables and it won't let me login. it's set to autologin too. |
| geek_0800xford | November 17, 2008, 1:10 am | #24 |
| the joys of a borked xorg. |
| geek_0800xford | November 17, 2008, 4:01 am | #25 |
| reinstalled a few times with the dvi cable in place, seems to be behaving. whoah, 4:01 am =) |
| geek_sirfer | November 17, 2008, 8:23 am | #26 |
| Attn:Parents Talk to your kids about Linux, before someone else does...HAve you got your graphics drivers all set up? |
| geek_seriouslycgi | November 17, 2008, 9:51 am | #27 |
| Lenny gave me nothing but segfault problems but then i have the opposite to you i have older hardware so it might be why, ive upgraded to arch linux after using debain for 2 years arch is faster and ive learned more about linux in the last week than in the last year with debian. although i still use debian daily archlinux is my main workhorse now. (not for beginners) |
| geek_intrade | November 17, 2008, 9:54 am | #28 |
| When i did read the title ! i was thinking .is lenny already relesed ??? ps seriuslycgi
kanotix is always based on latest stabile debian , it will be lenny, but only once it is released for goodand for good reasons... |
| geek_sirfer | November 17, 2008, 10:09 am | #29 |
| Gratuitous Debian fanboi response and how is changing to ArchLinux an "upgrade" ? :oP |
| geek_cybertao | November 17, 2008, 10:13 am | #30 |
| Www.linuxfromscratch.org If you want a distribution with a steep learning curve, there is none steeper than this one. |
| geek_0800xford | November 17, 2008, 12:58 pm | #31 |
| i didn't put 'lenny' in the title for a reason ;) i'm yet to install nvidia gfx drivers, this is the freaky bit - ubuntu and xubuntu do it automagically so i've not had much experience with it. some kind of system snapshot util would be helpful, like system restore. any [pre google] recommendations? borked xorg - trapped in a shell isn't fun at all. |
| geek_helpless | November 17, 2008, 1:06 pm | #32 |
| Riddles,,what are you saying Do you have no Desktop and are stuck at the command prompt.Download the Nvidia driver chuck it in a dir and reboot to the command prompt..Enter root password and cd to the dir with the Nvidia package and type sh Nvidia whatever and hit enter.. |
| geek_helpless | November 17, 2008, 1:13 pm | #33 |
| And of course you still have the use of the old favourite midnightcommander even without the desktop..Type mc..it'll popup..Use it to get around.F4 to edit F2 to save.. |
| geek_helpless | November 17, 2008, 1:27 pm | #34 |
| Generally what I do to install the Nvidia driver is as above..Open mc and navigate to /etc/inittab..change the id:5:initdefault line from a 5 to a 4 using mc..Reboot..install the Nvidia driver as Root from the black screen using the sh whatever command,reboot change initdefault back to a 5..reboot hopefully to the Desktop.You should always make a copy of xorg.conf before messing with it. |
| geek_0800xford | November 17, 2008, 2:07 pm | #35 |
| riddles? the curious behaviour was not being able to login while using the dvi cable. that is pretty weird =p |
| geek_helpless | November 17, 2008, 2:24 pm | #36 |
| So you don't have a problem Don't know why you post if you don't have an issue with something.Anyway installing the Nvidia driver is easy..Run levels are the things which vary..thats the init5 thing.Theirs a number of them and they can be got to usually with ctrl/alt and the f1 through to about f7 keys. |
| geek_0800xford | November 17, 2008, 2:30 pm | #37 |
| "Don't know why you post if you don't have an issue with something" i'm not asking for help, i'm sharing my experience. thanks for your input though. k/x/ubuntu are so 'automated' they lull users into a false sense of knowing what they are doing ;) |
| geek_helpless | November 17, 2008, 2:37 pm | #38 |
| Right..ok just make sure you have a copy of xorg.conf before mucking about with it.Restore it with mc or however you desire if it gets borked. |
| geek_0800xford | November 17, 2008, 3:26 pm | #39 |
| cool, i was hoping you wouldn't 'take that the wrong way' =) it's just unfortunate that this is the *first* thing i have to do to it. |
| geek_woogmo | November 17, 2008, 3:32 pm | #40 |
| I was scanning down the page and saw a few posts by helpless, I thought 'here comes a plug for midnightcommander..' |
| geek_woogmo | November 17, 2008, 3:32 pm | #41 |
| And I'm still waiting for the 'fully blown' and 'unleashed' parts of this thread.. |
| geek_0800xford | November 17, 2008, 3:43 pm | #42 |
| in the first post perhaps? |
| geek_seriouslycgi | November 17, 2008, 5:25 pm | #43 |
| im a heavy debian user too, but im swapping any desktop i use to arch this week, its just faster for some reason. i tried gentoo but the install went sour and didnt want to do another net install just for it to go bork again. so i gave arch a shot and got it first time, used it for a week and im hooked. |
| geek_seriouslycgi | November 17, 2008, 5:26 pm | #44 |
| As for stuck in a shell environment apt-get install links (full blown text only browser and easy to use, to read the debian manual and google.com) |
| geek_sirfer | November 17, 2008, 6:03 pm | #45 |
| thats "elinks" a bit clunky but very usable ...ps I for one enjoy 0800xfords posts as computer are dull unless something is broken and by watching the trials and tribulations of others, I get to learn more while someone else tears their hair out ;o)....also NVIDIA drivers will ask to adjust your xorg and backup the old one... |
| geek_seriouslycgi | November 17, 2008, 6:06 pm | #46 |
| Never used elinks been using links for a few weeks now, ill go have a look at elinks |
| geek_helpless | November 17, 2008, 6:10 pm | #47 |
| Yes ..was about to say theirs two Kinda primitive but none the less handy.. |
| geek_0800xford | November 17, 2008, 6:12 pm | #48 |
| this is a circus here at the moment. can't sudo because i'm not in the sudoers file. that's a new one [to me] ha ha running commentary /off |
| geek_seriouslycgi | November 17, 2008, 6:12 pm | #49 |
| Is elinks able to be used without X? while i was trying gentoo links turned out to be a big help during install when you dont have a desktop environment or x server installed. |
| geek_helpless | November 17, 2008, 6:16 pm | #50 |
| Dunno,,, sudoers file??Just enter your root password so you get the ## prompt.. |
| geek_helpless | November 17, 2008, 6:31 pm | #51 |
| From my brief Google on installing the driver it looks rather simple..A uname -a to find out the Kernal version then a couple of apt-gets for the kernal source and bin utils then a download of the older or newer driver depending on the card and a cd to the dir with the Nvidia installer package then the old sh Nvidia 11234_whatever and shes all over..LoL |
| geek_0800xford | November 17, 2008, 7:37 pm | #52 |
| i'm yet to google how to fix this but if you guys want to see what i'm facing look here - [http://is.gd/7O8T] |
| geek_helpless | November 17, 2008, 7:41 pm | #53 |
| Mmm yepYou are still at the $$$..No authority to install such things..Su to root to get the ### prompt.. |
| geek_helpless | November 17, 2008, 7:45 pm | #54 |
| And really you should put the sh Nvidia thing into a proper dir,,The Desktop really doesn't qualify..But as I say you need to get into superuser mode to do anything like installing drivers.. |
| geek_helpless | November 17, 2008, 7:54 pm | #55 |
| Did you actually set a Root password when you installed Debian.Sometimes it can be kind of confusing setting passwords during the install(they want to many) and the installer isn't much help at times in that sort of thing.. |
| geek_cybertao | November 17, 2008, 8:09 pm | #56 |
| It's a pain in the ass trying to add sudo permissions without access to sudo. What a strange way of setting it up. The root user account is often disabled as a security measure(as every box has a root account to try password cracking), but try 'su'. It will ask for your root password, if you know it. |
| geek_helpless | November 17, 2008, 8:14 pm | #57 |
| Yeah,,I installed Slackware a while back I think and that was hell confusing password wise.I know people rave on about don't be Root and all that but so long as you know to get out of it when you are finished what your doing I don't see a problem with it. |
| geek_helpless | November 17, 2008, 8:19 pm | #58 |
| Plus oxford You should really need to be root to install those other couple of things before you move onto the Nvidia package..so if you haven't done them yet you will need to do the apt-get business as root on them as well.. |
| geek_cybertao | November 17, 2008, 8:23 pm | #59 |
| It's a bad habit. While it may be harmless on your personal system(or at least only destructive to your system), it's a big security no-no. If you need a root shell because you don't want to add sudo to the start of each command, 'su root' or 'sudo bash' will create a shell you can exit when finished by typing 'exit'. And as I said, having the root account enabled(not the same as root privileges) is an unneeded security vulnerability. |
| geek_helpless | November 17, 2008, 8:31 pm | #60 |
| Point taken I just type exit and its back to $ anyway. |
| geek_0800xford | November 17, 2008, 8:40 pm | #61 |
| thanks for the input, i appreciate it =) |
| geek_cybertao | November 17, 2008, 9:10 pm | #62 |
| A work around for the sudo issueBoot with a live CD. Open a terminal and mount your harddrive partition. Then chroot into it. From there, you will basically be using your copy of debian in root mode(yeah yeah, I know what I just said about that...) and be able to add your user to the sudoer file by running visudo. It's a pretty hackish workaround, but can't think of anything else at the moment seeing as I don't know how your distro has been set up. |
| geek_0800xford | November 17, 2008, 9:38 pm | #63 |
| i may as well mention i'm yet to actually *use* debian yet. why there isn't an 'easy' way to do this is beyond me. backing up my .deb files and aiming for a reinstall now. |
| geek_cybertao | November 17, 2008, 9:43 pm | #64 |
| Yeah, that's probably for the best. |
| geek_0800xford | November 17, 2008, 9:47 pm | #65 |
| did you see the bit where i downloaded 5 different debian .ISO's none of which worked? to say i was 'upset' would be putting it mildly =p |
| geek_sirfer | November 17, 2008, 10:44 pm | #66 |
| you caught me out! there is a text browser called "links" as well, I thought you had made a speling mistake d'uh! No need for sudo in debian, just "su" and type password and you're root. 0800xford, before you go compiling stuff (such as when installing graphics drivers)make sure you "apt-get install module-assistant && m-a prepare" and follow along. My testing version doesn't install a compiler but since yours is more recent it may be included by default. Posting this from a 1999 499MHz AMD running etch! :o) |
| geek_0800xford | November 18, 2008, 1:10 pm | #67 |
| annoyingly enough i have to continue with this today. k/x/ubuntu makes this really easy "restricted drivers are in use on this system, do you want to use them?" Y - done. not being able to use a disc with ~400MB of .deb files as a repo while installing is pretty bad too. i'm not 'giving up' or anything, just having a wee vent. |
| geek_helpless | November 18, 2008, 2:24 pm | #68 |
| Http://tinyurl.com/3aq9hp This is or should be relatively easy..Read the above guide and save the page for reference when you are doing the job.The only thing to vary should be which driver you use to go with the Nvidia card you have..Which model Nvidia card do you have in the Computer?? |
| geek_sirfer | November 18, 2008, 2:31 pm | #69 |
| This may not be relevant now...but a while back when I was trying to get the legacy 176(?i think?) driver for my awesome FX5200, none of the options in the driver search page would bring up drivers to download, it would just go to a 'something not found' page and that was it. :o/ I'm using 96.43.07 with an xorg from an etch install and it's sweet as :o) |
| geek_0800xford | November 18, 2008, 2:31 pm | #70 |
| inno [nvidia] 7600GT AGP. ta for the link =) i keep putting it off ha ha |
| geek_helpless | November 18, 2008, 2:38 pm | #71 |
| Right,,well after a Google http://tinyurl.com/stxvo that looks like the driver for you... |
| geek_helpless | November 18, 2008, 2:41 pm | #72 |
| Or simply take your pick http://www.nvidia.com/object/linux_display_archive.html |
| geek_helpless | November 18, 2008, 2:43 pm | #73 |
| Go for a driver that is about a year older than the manufacture date of the card to make sure they did the job on it.. |
| geek_0800xford | November 18, 2008, 2:59 pm | #74 |
| easy once you know how aye ;) |
| geek_helpless | November 18, 2008, 3:11 pm | #75 |
| Http://tinyurl.com/5sg43j I know it seems difficult but once you figure out how to edit things and where to go to do it the whole thing becomes simple..Its a matter of reading and saving the appropriate stuff..and I have told you about the benefits of Midnight for editing etc Open a Konsole su to root and type apt-get install mc and hit enter..though it may be already installed,,to find out type whereis mc ..push enter |
| geek_helpless | November 18, 2008, 3:25 pm | #76 |
| And woogmo I know I rave about it but their is nothing as good as a file browser that works without X and has all the functions of Midnight..for a novice it is a must have. |
| geek_sirfer | November 18, 2008, 3:37 pm | #77 |
| Konsole = KDE yeck! he hee ;o)...I'm gonna try what you've suggested helpless... |
| geek_sirfer | November 18, 2008, 3:39 pm | #78 |
| And 2 seconds laterVery good! MC plus (e)links say bye bye desktop! |
| geek_0800xford | November 18, 2008, 3:39 pm | #79 |
| that was, in a word - 'torturous' |
| geek_shimah | November 18, 2008, 3:53 pm | #80 |
| What is the problem with using Linux ??? I have friends who say don't get it, and a service agent said don't touch it, and many others in the "know" on computers but then I see most on here swear by them I was thinking of getting a Apple laptop, and the was advised to get Toshiba so I am confused (I do a lot of Photography) Your suggestions recommendations would be appreciated ...Cheers |
| geek_helpless | November 18, 2008, 4:00 pm | #81 |
| Laptops are a bit modern for Linux.I presume it takes the Linux community a while to catch up getting things working on ultra modern gear.Anything a year or so old should be ok.Sorry I know nothing about Laptops and whats good and whats not. |
| geek_sirfer | November 18, 2008, 4:00 pm | #82 |
| 0 people who are frightened of Linux are not "in the know" at all. MS OS's form a subset of OS's worldwide. OS's are a hobby for me and Linux is the one you can mess with the most...it's not necessarily the best for commercial grade apps tho...I have a friend who does graphic design and he has always used Apples if that's any help :o) |
| geek_sirfer | November 18, 2008, 4:01 pm | #83 |
| 9 what? installing NVIDIA drivers? ?? |
| geek_0800xford | November 18, 2008, 4:04 pm | #84 |
| yep. this sucks. |
| geek_sirfer | November 18, 2008, 4:08 pm | #85 |
| 4 yeah but after the tenth time it will take 1/10th of the time it took the first time :O)...I actually found the nVidia drivers quite easy, once I had laid the proper groundwork of course... |
| geek_helpless | November 18, 2008, 4:14 pm | #86 |
| It's almost impossible to help you oxford as no one has any idea what step your at or where it's going wrong.If you really need assistance you need to start a thread with exact details on what you have and have not done..One Liners just don't cut it in the help dept as DrSpy will attest to.. |
| geek_0800xford | November 18, 2008, 4:14 pm | #87 |
| i have the 'wrong' cc apparently. |
| geek_0800xford | November 18, 2008, 4:16 pm | #88 |
| i'll manage from here helpless. |
| geek_helpless | November 18, 2008, 4:23 pm | #89 |
| Ok,,,Switch to something with the driver pre-done..No sense frustrating yourself to hell and back.. |
| geek_0800xford | November 18, 2008, 4:26 pm | #90 |
| heh, i'm not frustrated. |
| geek_0800xford | November 18, 2008, 5:14 pm | #91 |
| great fun - http://is.gd/7VvG |
| geek_sirfer | November 18, 2008, 5:29 pm | #92 |
| 1 wonderful! Select "no" when it asks you if you wanna abort...cc is C compiler...gcc is Gnu C Compiler...it will proceed and use the version off gcc you have (4.3 i believe) whereas the driver was made to compile under gc 4.2...I learnt everyting I needed to know from http://sonique54.free.fr/compiz-fusion/compiz-fusion.html...the drivers they cite there are a bit old but the principle is the same whether you're installing compiz or not (but remember, only wusses don't have compiz ;o) ) |
| geek_sirfer | November 18, 2008, 5:32 pm | #93 |
| 6 I don't see 0800xford as asking for help per se...these Linuxy threads are more of a journal...I'm into it because 0800 and I are at around the same stage using the exact same distro...I was doing what he's doing now about a month ago (seems like longer :P ) |
| geek_cybertao | November 18, 2008, 5:37 pm | #94 |
| Gosh, that really sucks. Where did you get this half assed distro again? Perhaps the easiest way to solve it is to recompile the kernel. The source for the kernel is normally left in /usr/src/linux-2.6.? With a FRESH copy of sources, you would first run 'make mrproper' - don't do that(I'm mentioning it because most tutorials will tell you to). Then 'make menuconfig' to set up the configuration(have a look if you like, but the configuration used to build your current kernel should be intact). |
| geek_0800xford | November 18, 2008, 5:42 pm | #95 |
| half arsed distro ha ha =p |
| geek_cybertao | November 18, 2008, 5:43 pm | #96 |
| The bit you want to dois 'make bzImage && make modules && make_modules install' if it's all good, 'cp System.map arch/i386/bzImage /boot'. That copies the kernel to /boot. Then modify /boot/grub/menu.lst to boot the new bzImage you copied. And reboot. |
| geek_cybertao | November 18, 2008, 5:45 pm | #97 |
| They should have built the whole system with the copy of gcc they distributed. The other option is to compile gcc-4.1, but learning to build a kernel is far more useful and educational. |
| geek_cybertao | November 18, 2008, 5:46 pm | #98 |
| If they didn't leave the sources in /usr/src then it might be an even more educational experience to configure it... |
| geek_0800xford | November 18, 2008, 5:50 pm | #99 |
| this is what i'm currently facing - http://is.gd/7VI2 |
| geek_sirfer | November 18, 2008, 5:52 pm | #100 |
| I'm talking out me arseKernel was compiled using gcc4.1 and Deb testing comes with 4.3. FFS cybertao, recompile the kernel? Like using a bazooka to kill an ant...the easiest thing for 0800xford to do is change the selection to "NO" when it asks if he wants to abort due to the apparent compiler conflicts...the half assed distro is debian which is the basis for lots of other wannabe distros ;o) and besides debian is sooo awesome you could probably install gcc0.1.1 and it would still work! haha ok i'll stop talking shit now :o) |
| geek_0800xford | November 18, 2008, 5:53 pm | #101 |
| sirfer i am hitting "no" then i get what is pictured in my last post. |
| geek_cybertao | November 18, 2008, 5:55 pm | #102 |
| WTF!?! It doesn't even have the kernel headers installed? That's just bad form. |
| geek_cybertao | November 18, 2008, 5:57 pm | #103 |
| Half assed indeed! Debian is noted for it's extensive testing of compiled code and making sure everything works together. While debian packages are robust, string them together like this is just WRONG! |
| geek_0800xford | November 18, 2008, 5:57 pm | #104 |
| it worked, whatever i did. |
| geek_sirfer | November 18, 2008, 6:16 pm | #105 |
| 9 that means that nVidia drivers suck ;o) I had that problem with a few different drivers and settled on 96.43.07 but my video card is much older than yours...i'm googling a few ideas I have now...don't run away yet :o) |
| geek_0800xford | November 18, 2008, 6:20 pm | #106 |
| i'm a derek, dereks don't run. |
| geek_sirfer | November 18, 2008, 6:23 pm | #107 |
| 3 if they're so robust then surely that means less hassle when you string them together? They used Debian on the space shuttle you know ;o) 4...great! now what DID you do? I have found that to get best results and a hassle free install, it pays to follow a certain procedure..for me it's base, disable nvidiafb in /boot/grub/menu.lst, install wireless drivers (rt73 for me) and lastly the video drivers, modify xorg for compiz and bobs your aunty's live-in lover :o) this general procedure seems to work pretty well for each computer I have installed testing on excpt for the geriatric AMD that lives in the garage |
| geek_cybertao | November 18, 2008, 6:26 pm | #108 |
| So where are you at? Are you saying it compiled without the headers? That would be odd. The kernel headers are the interface between the kernel and other software(include the c library, glibc). Have a look in /usr/src and let us know what's in there. |
| geek_cybertao | November 18, 2008, 6:30 pm | #109 |
| 7 Like I said, they should have included the compiler that was used to compile the kernel. The fact the kernel was made with a different version indicates that it was compiled on a different development system. Not unusual or wrong, but very bad form that leads to problems like this. |
| geek_0800xford | November 18, 2008, 6:35 pm | #110 |
| Cybertao /usr/src/modules/cpad-kernel */cpad */cpad-2.6 */debian |
| geek_sirfer | November 18, 2008, 6:38 pm | #111 |
| 9 so it's not backwards-compatible in any sense then? Not rarking, just interested... |
| geek_cybertao | November 18, 2008, 6:39 pm | #112 |
| How about /usr/include ? There should be a folder called 'linux', and another named 'asm'. According to my google, that's where they are on debian(the default for any linux system). |
| geek_cybertao | November 18, 2008, 6:42 pm | #113 |
| If soadding '--kernel-source-path=/usr/include' to the end of 'sh nvidia...' command should do the trick. |
| geek_0800xford | November 18, 2008, 6:47 pm | #114 |
| /linux and /asm both exist in the /usr/include dir. i'm pretty keen to reproduce a successful nvidia gfx driver install =) |
| geek_cybertao | November 18, 2008, 6:49 pm | #115 |
| 1 This is where gcc is a pain in the ass. Is used to be standard to compile the kernel using gcc-2.95.3(the last in the v2 series) to avoid these issues all together. Gcc is constantly evolving and is a massive undertaking. It's very common for code to not compile on a different gcc than the code was developed for. They aren't 'backwards compatible' because of the changes constantly made to it. Did you know Gcc does more than just x86 architecture? You can compile gcc(called a cross-compiler) to generate code for 386-686(even specific models, like pentium2 or Athlon64), Alpha, MIPS, PowerPC, sh...it's just massive and complex. |
| geek_cybertao | November 18, 2008, 6:56 pm | #116 |
| The difference between 4.1 and 4.3 are unlikely to cause the compiled module to fail. But the module will probably have to be loaded 'by force' to make the kernel ignore the detected incompatibility. |
| geek_0800xford | November 18, 2008, 7:06 pm | #117 |
| pretty slack having to do this within a minute of installing the OS i reckon. i kind of knew in the back of my mind that this *may* happen. seemingly worth it so far though. i made the switch to debian to avoid all the annoying x/ubuntu bugs. |
| geek_helpless | November 18, 2008, 7:18 pm | #118 |
| Http://tinyurl.com/pygxy I simply can't fathom why you don't just do as the above joker did replacing the appropriate apt-get stuff that applies to the Kernal you are using which is found by typing uname -a into a konsole window.Is the pc you are mucking about with not hooked up to the net or something.. |
| geek_0800xford | November 18, 2008, 7:20 pm | #119 |
| you're irritating me. |
| geek_helpless | November 18, 2008, 7:23 pm | #120 |
| Well thats a non frikkin sensical answer Read it and do exactly what he did..Its perfectly straightforward.. |
| geek_0800xford | November 18, 2008, 7:28 pm | #121 |
| heh, are you demanding i answer you? |
| geek_helpless | November 18, 2008, 7:33 pm | #122 |
| Get into the konsole su to root,,type the things into the konsole line by line pushing enter after each line and letting the box install the things that are needed.Finally switch to run level 3 which I have given you information on how to get into in the other Tinyurls and cd to the dir with the sh nvidia installer in it and type in the sh Nvidia thing and it will install..Do it all as Root thats the ### prompt..I can't make it any simpler. |
| geek_cybertao | November 18, 2008, 7:35 pm | #123 |
| That solution has a problem. Or rather, this distro does. The linux kernel headers are used to compile glibc. From there, you are NOT supposed to update them. Even when compiling a new kernel, the system needs to preserve the headers glibc was compiled with(and all other software). Changing the headers requires replacing glibc with a version compiled against those headers. Compiling code against a different set of kernel headers(without installing them) will probably work, but it's not the way it's supposed to and could create more issues. |
| geek_0800xford | November 18, 2008, 7:35 pm | #124 |
| read 4 |
| geek_helpless | November 18, 2008, 7:40 pm | #125 |
| 123...I dunno I am not a Linux brain box.Anytime you install the Nvidia drivers on any other install I've done you need to install the headers..I give up.. |
| geek_helpless | November 18, 2008, 7:41 pm | #126 |
| And or the Kernal source I'll bow out and leave you to it |
| geek_cybertao | November 18, 2008, 7:42 pm | #127 |
| Read 7.1.1 or thishttp://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-kernel.en.html |
| geek_cybertao | November 18, 2008, 7:44 pm | #128 |
| The kernel source IS where the headers come from. But as I said, once all the software has been compiled against those headers, you don't change them. |
| geek_0800xford | November 18, 2008, 7:46 pm | #129 |
| some pretty full on documentation there. |
| geek_0800xford | November 18, 2008, 7:51 pm | #130 |
| in keeping with my usual courteous nature thanks for all the suggestions and links offered. this thread was a bit of a 'thinking aloud' kind of thing =) |
| geek_sirfer | November 18, 2008, 8:59 pm | #131 |
| 0 I tried explaining thatWe 'get' it, but it looks odd to people who think that the only reason people post here is for help. 0800xford sounds like he's going thru the exact same 'feeling around in the dark' process that I went thru. I read a TON of documentation and frankly, for me most of it was useless. Install nvidia-flx-glx-whatever followed by kernel headers and lord knows what else...other websites said "just type /etc/init.d/gdm stop and sh NVIDIA etc etc" and install the driver as root....simple! I get the feeling that lots of seasoned Linux users like to ake things more difficult than they need be (just my impression) and I have noticed this throughout my computing "career". I'm a bit fan of KISS and if it ain't broke don't fix it. Also 0800xford is dealing with a recent snapshot of Debian testing, not a stable release and having tried both, there are significant differences in terms of stability and predictibility..I've had stuff come right by what seems like magic, altho I know it's not. |
| geek_sirfer | November 18, 2008, 9:03 pm | #132 |
| 5 yes I was vaguely aware that C is a cross platform language. My big bro has been a programmer for 20 odd years and does most of his stuff in C for the likes of Telecom and AirNZ. I must admit that I was interested to find out that you can compile across platforms, those guys think of everything! |
| geek_sirfer | November 18, 2008, 9:05 pm | #133 |
| 0 0800xford So have you got compiz running yet? =oP |
| geek_0800xford | November 18, 2008, 9:05 pm | #134 |
| iceweasel is nice so far. i have these etch discs here that have that glitch i mentioned. what a waste of bandwidth. |
| geek_0800xford | November 18, 2008, 9:07 pm | #135 |
| compiz? hells no ha ha i like 'boring' my system looks like a concentration camp. |
| geek_sirfer | November 18, 2008, 9:10 pm | #136 |
| Haha just kidding..thats a whole nuther mission ANd I think that for 3 months running i used up my 6GB cap in the first week...p'd the mrs off no end :o) |
| geek_0800xford | November 18, 2008, 9:13 pm | #137 |
| yeah i've chewed through some data the last week or so. the cd repo thing didn't quite work as planned. i potentially have to name the disc specifically. |
| geek_0800xford | November 18, 2008, 9:14 pm | #138 |
| heh, i *know* i'm going to call this thing firefox by accident too ha ha =p |
| geek_cybertao | November 18, 2008, 9:22 pm | #139 |
| 2 I was talking about gcc, not the language. Gcc compiles itself! One way to check it's robustness is for it to compile itself, then use that compiler to compile itself again and check to two are the same. When you compile it, you can choose what computer architecture it will generate binaries for(called the back end). Not only that, gcc covers multiple langauges:c, c++, ada, fortran, objective-c, and java. The back end code emitter is separate from the front end, so you can write a new front end to add another language. You can create a 'canadian cross compiler', such as using an x86 copy of gcc to compile a powerpc cross compiler(that runs on your x86) and use that to compile another copy off gcc that runs natively on the powerpc. It's a truly spectacular piece of software engineering. And it's free! |
| geek_sirfer | November 18, 2008, 9:22 pm | #140 |
| 5 tried lxde? It goes real well...couldn't get compiz going on the mrs laptop so just did a basic install with lxde and xfce as DE's and it's all sweet |
| geek_0800xford | November 18, 2008, 9:29 pm | #141 |
| for some odd reason i don't want to tinker =s i ran pud/lxde so i'm sort of over it =p xfce could be on the cards [soon] though. |
| geek_sirfer | November 18, 2008, 9:30 pm | #142 |
| 9 ah i see! that is very interesting and yes I do have a *vague* idea what you're talking about...I'm off to wikipedia to find out more :o) |
| geek_0800xford | November 18, 2008, 9:35 pm | #143 |
| [sara conner] "you're talking about things i haven't done yet" ha ha ha |
| geek_rua69 | November 18, 2008, 10:03 pm | #144 |
| Well done, 0800derek I just caught up with this saga and am thanking the gods for my walk to the pub install of lenny - even if my experience wasn't quite as educational as yours :/ |
| geek_0800xford | November 18, 2008, 10:05 pm | #145 |
| 'educational' ha ha ha ha at times it felt like a benny hill flick. |
| geek_rua69 | November 18, 2008, 10:19 pm | #146 |
| holy grails can be like that |
| geek_0800xford | November 18, 2008, 10:31 pm | #147 |
| the whole thing feels really 'clean' it's smooth as too and everything has worked well so far. but i'm yet to see why anyone would use this instead of ubuntu though [recent experiences spring to mind] uber vs uber perhaps ;) frigging ALSA doesn't like my soundcards. |
| geek_rua69 | November 18, 2008, 10:46 pm | #148 |
| Wait and see with you on the clean feeling, also so transparent and elegant (not just to look at), pure gnome/xfce without a silly distro thememust be great to be out of that Ubuntu uniform! I found that setting up multimedia made me grey, urrrgxd help me should I ever have to do it again without my notes, wherever I put them. |
| geek_sirfer | November 19, 2008, 10:21 am | #149 |
| 7 I switched to Debian because I knew that's what ubuntu (and 100 other distros) are based on and the "sticky" network issue in ubu8.04 was REALLy bugging me. Interestingly the same bug occurs in Lenny Beta2....been reading about gcc...it's not gnu c compiler anymore it's gnu compiler collection...a real piece of work! |
| geek_sirfer | November 19, 2008, 10:22 am | #150 |
| 8 don't be so hard on ubuntuites It's Debian with training wheels :o) |
| geek_rua69 | November 19, 2008, 12:36 pm | #151 |
| I'm a snob, I know. I've got no issue with anyone using Ubuntu (fate or fortune may see me an Ubuntist again in the future), only with the distro itself and its corporate attitudes, like "let's bang a new version out every six months whether its ready or not" *frown* |
| geek_seriouslycgi | November 19, 2008, 1:27 pm | #152 |
| Am i the only one that likes enlightenment 17? |
| geek_0800xford | November 19, 2008, 1:46 pm | #153 |
| just this second installed xfce4. not a fan of 'e' myself. |
| geek_0800xford | November 19, 2008, 2:09 pm | #154 |
| damn, enabling hidden files and hitting f5 kills thunar. |
| geek_sirfer | November 19, 2008, 2:10 pm | #155 |
| 2, yes ;o) 4...wait there... |
| geek_0800xford | November 19, 2008, 2:14 pm | #156 |
| ok. it dies cleanly though. i can re open thunar and it's all good. and my trash applet is ok too. |
| geek_sirfer | November 19, 2008, 2:14 pm | #157 |
| Hmm 0800 thunar is A ok here can you describe exactly what you did? |
| geek_0800xford | November 19, 2008, 2:18 pm | #158 |
| open /home or / ctrl+h then attempt to browse. this is with tree view enabled. |
| geek_sirfer | November 19, 2008, 2:22 pm | #159 |
| Hmmm...I'm on the Mrs laptop at the moment managed to score a 10GB partition hee hee....and when I follow what you did, thunar has a looong think then the "thinking wheel" disappears and all is as it was... |
| geek_0800xford | November 19, 2008, 2:31 pm | #160 |
| same thing using gnome/thunar. nautilus does no such thing. it's a known bug, but it's one of the reasons i switched to 'full blown debian' =) |
| geek_0800xford | November 19, 2008, 2:34 pm | #161 |
| [http://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2502] |
| geek_sirfer | November 19, 2008, 2:53 pm | #162 |
| Hmm interestinggot the bug reproduced now...can't say I would have noticed if you hadn't shown me :o) |
| geek_0800xford | November 19, 2008, 2:57 pm | #163 |
| using debian/xfce or debian/thunar? |
| geek_sirfer | November 19, 2008, 3:01 pm | #164 |
| Debian + xfce I have a lone thunar window in workspace 4 that refuses to go away, so I banished it ;o) |
| geek_0800xford | November 19, 2008, 3:20 pm | #165 |
| heh [http://www.unix.com.ua/orelly/unix/upt/ch38_16.htm] |
| geek_sirfer | November 19, 2008, 3:56 pm | #166 |
| Aha good info there And good advice to any parent planning on raising zombie children ;o) |
| geek_0800xford | November 19, 2008, 4:25 pm | #167 |
| hey cool, i can paste long broken links into iceweasel and it prunes the /\/br/\ |
| geek_rua69 | November 19, 2008, 5:24 pm | #168 |
| Sirfer I've noted your tip at 7 for future reference, thanks |
| geek_0800xford | November 19, 2008, 5:26 pm | #169 |
| heh, this is pretty epic for computing. |
| geek_rua69 | November 19, 2008, 5:27 pm | #170 |
| I don't seem to have the thunar bug... |
| geek_0800xford | November 19, 2008, 5:47 pm | #171 |
| what combination are you using? debian/xfce/thunar and debian/thunar are both reproducing the crash here. |
| geek_rua69 | November 19, 2008, 6:26 pm | #172 |
| Debian/xfce/thunar I haven't tried thunar in gnome. Funny, I feel like the weird one! |
| geek_0800xford | November 19, 2008, 7:06 pm | #173 |
| hey man, *who says* you're not weird?! ha ha ha nautilus takes some getting used to, i've been using thunar for ages. the instant networking with [almost] no configuring is nice. |
| geek_sirfer | November 19, 2008, 7:47 pm | #174 |
| 8 you're welcome that's what this thread is about :o) I arrived at that procedure by trial and error, got a lot of buggy and moody installs until I realised that the wireless driver conflicts with nvidiafb, which I don't want anyway since the proprietry drivers take care of all the graphics side of things. I sat down and had a good think about things and came up with the idea for the install i'm currently using = base + standard graphics (no compiz...yet ;) + desktop. I'm greedy so I have 'em all ...I've gone back to GNOME on my desky (must try thunar!) and the only thing I don't like about it is the way it opens each new folder in new window and I can't seem to find how to prevent it but I haven't looked as I'm right into lxde on the mrs hp pavilion ze4315ap from the year 2000 :o) |
| geek_rua69 | November 19, 2008, 8:41 pm | #175 |
| 0800xford my mum says she loves me anyway :P |
| geek_0800xford | November 19, 2008, 8:48 pm | #176 |
| heh =p hey sirfer "the only thing I don't like about it is the way it opens each new folder in new window and I can't seem to find how to prevent it" me too! but if you right click and choose "browse" not "open" it does what you'd expect it to do upon double click. i can choose "open with thunar" now too ha ha |
| geek_rua69 | November 19, 2008, 8:56 pm | #177 |
| Sirfer your deductions are brilliant. I'm grateful for your and xford's observations and experiences. That sort of thing ought to be a sticky in the Debian forums. Man, I've been so lucky with having so few critical issues - long may it continue, however terrible it is for learning! - I don't have the persistence you and xford have :/ My nautilus generally sticks to a single window unless I open a file, as does thunar (which is perhaps my preferred file manager, hmmm)could be I changed a preference at some point in the past and forgot about it. I'm loving xfce since I changed the font hinting which I'd overdone - it looks better than gnome now. |
| geek_0800xford | November 19, 2008, 9:01 pm | #178 |
| AHA! tick "always open in browsers windows" in nautilus' prefs. |
| geek_seriouslycgi | November 19, 2008, 9:16 pm | #179 |
| Thats the first thing i do when i install gnome before anythign else. |
| geek_sirfer | November 19, 2008, 9:20 pm | #180 |
| Testing...yeehaw! it works Thanks rua69, I did a physics degree and the one thing it really drummed into me was plain old logical, deductive thinking..took a while but once I got that straight and how to see all the assumptions I make in any given situation, I was able to use those problem solving skills in any given situation. I've always liked the philosophy behind debian so its what I put my abilities into for now :o) and i agree with you about the Debian forums...meh! |
| geek_0800xford | November 19, 2008, 9:28 pm | #181 |
| kind of annoying default behaviour. the new windows look quite different to the 'original' too, had to 'help' - 'about' to see wtf it [nautilus] was ha ha |
| geek_sirfer | November 19, 2008, 9:30 pm | #182 |
| 7 and I/we are grateful for yours I'd probably still be on a stock install with only gnome and still peeved at each folder opening in a new window...as of now I have 6(?) desktops to choose from, 4 file managers, desktop effects for africa etc etc all of which I have tried because either 0800derek or you mentioned them...and with apt-get and a 6500kbps line, most things I want to try are just a command-line away....:o) |
| geek_rua69 | November 19, 2008, 9:30 pm | #183 |
| 8, 179 yup, that's it, also crucial to enable the tree view! Default nautilus is not pretty |
| geek_rua69 | November 19, 2008, 9:34 pm | #184 |
| Big group {{hug}} for Debian users *AWWWW* |
| geek_0800xford | November 19, 2008, 9:36 pm | #185 |
| ha ha ha 0800derek. you guys know what the derek bit is from? |
| geek_rua69 | November 19, 2008, 9:40 pm | #186 |
| Of course the original (and best?) Peter Jackson film |
| geek_0800xford | November 19, 2008, 9:48 pm | #187 |
| i've got a blood duster album [yeest] it's chocka with quotes from [*those*] films. some of it's pretty rough. i'll have to grab a lenny+xfce .ISO soon too. it's a mystery why these discs here won't install properly. |
| geek_rua69 | November 19, 2008, 9:58 pm | #188 |
| Just install xfce my netinst (all netinsts?) had gnome by default. Hey, did you try a live CD before you did the installation? An April build of lenny/xfce live was my water testerI've been using it at my friend's house for catsitting sessions because Mint's internet connection keeps sh1tting itself. Shame Debian live discs don't come with an installer, though I understand you can make your own (you even had to make your own live CD until not that long ago). |
| geek_tptrader | November 19, 2008, 10:03 pm | #189 |
| Debian blows dallas unleashed ooops wrong thread! |
| geek_0800xford | November 19, 2008, 10:06 pm | #190 |
| debian live disc? not that i've tried aye. i figure if you're far along enough to even consider debian you can just install it ha ha |
| geek_seriouslycgi | November 20, 2008, 12:14 am | #191 |
| 8 do a net install with just base then apt-get all the xorg-server and xfce then synaptic and get whatever apps you want from there. loads of info online if it doesnt set up graphical login etc. apt-get install links to browse the debian wiki. nice and lean then. |
| geek_0800xford | November 20, 2008, 12:29 am | #192 |
| ha ha =p [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_UNIX-HATERS_Handbook] |
| geek_0800xford | November 20, 2008, 3:29 am | #193 |
| hmm surprising [http://is.gd/87t2] [http://is.gd/87tw] one is gnome the other xfce. check out the drawing error for the upload/download icons, which only appears when i open the monitor on a different tab and switch to the 'resources' tab. this exists in the last 3 xubuntu 'builds' too. |
| geek_sirfer | November 20, 2008, 8:14 am | #194 |
| 4 haha Yeah we're just one big happy family :oP 1, that's pretty much what I do since the testing snapshot I got doesn't install any desktop by default...by doing everything manually I get a much leaner OS ... |
| geek_sirfer | November 20, 2008, 8:16 am | #195 |
| 3 No drawing error in lxde... |
| geek_sirfer | November 20, 2008, 8:21 am | #196 |
| 3 Or GNOME...for me...you got an eye for the bugs 0800xford! |
| geek_0800xford | November 20, 2008, 10:17 am | #197 |
| yeah? i'm sure it's an xfce related one. you have to open '$ gnome-system-monitor' on any tab that isn't 'resources' to reproduce it. |
| geek_sirfer | November 20, 2008, 12:57 pm | #198 |
| Haha nah..still no joy and i'm using xfce on the mrs laptop...your machine must be buggered ;o) |
| geek_0800xford | November 20, 2008, 1:00 pm | #199 |
| fair comment, the other two machines don't do it. discovered icedove today *cough* riiiiight. |
| geek_sirfer | November 20, 2008, 1:02 pm | #200 |
| 0 had to grab the hundy just kidding...maybe a graphics driver issue? You know icedove = thunderbird ay? |
| geek_0800xford | November 20, 2008, 1:07 pm | #201 |
| yeah i figured that out. pretty cool i guessed how to restore my settings etc too. $ cp nsdjsdkdjk.default and profiles.ini to .thunderbird. shouldn't they call the hidden folder icedove?. |
| geek_sirfer | November 20, 2008, 1:22 pm | #202 |
| Yeah that's wierd the hidden folder for iceweasel is called mozilla and the app folder in that is called 'firefox'...go figure! |
| geek_0800xford | November 20, 2008, 1:26 pm | #203 |
| fire and ice (Xx.) |
| geek_sirfer | November 20, 2008, 7:32 pm | #204 |
| Haha sounds like the relationship between Mozilla & Debian devs |
| geek_seriouslycgi | November 20, 2008, 7:33 pm | #205 |
| Weasel and fox on arch linux its called gran paradiso. |
| geek_0800xford | November 20, 2008, 7:37 pm | #206 |
| it's as funny as the ubuntu naming. hmmm i put up with 'that flash bug' in xubuntu forever, intrepid seemed to have it fixed but now friggin' lenny does does it ha ha there must be some stray 0's rolling around somewhere. |
| geek_sirfer | November 20, 2008, 7:48 pm | #207 |
| Hey bugman....what flash bug? What version of flashplayer are you using? |
| geek_0800xford | November 20, 2008, 8:08 pm | #208 |
| heh, apt-moniker =p 10 it doesn't totally hose iceweasel but it does sap 100% cpu. xubuntu pre intrepid it just nuked my whole system ha ha no you tube sucks. |
| geek_rua69 | November 20, 2008, 9:28 pm | #209 |
| 1 yeah, that's a good plan. It's nice to have the full disc as a backup thoughit would save on bandwidth in the event of an installation mishap. |
| geek_rua69 | November 20, 2008, 9:30 pm | #210 |
| 3 I don't have that drawing error. I too have been surprised to find xfce is hungrier than Gnome :/ |
| geek_rua69 | November 20, 2008, 9:33 pm | #211 |
| I love the name "iceweasel" so much cooler (groan), and it's always held its composure under flash fire for me. |
| geek_0800xford | November 20, 2008, 10:05 pm | #212 |
| i just pulled up a flash site and got 100% hosed to death, goodbye xfce. |
| geek_sirfer | November 20, 2008, 10:18 pm | #213 |
| I use version 9 as I found 10 to be a bit iffy in general...that and flashblock in the firefox addons... |
| geek_rua69 | November 20, 2008, 10:26 pm | #214 |
| V. 10 here works like a trooper for me. 800xford, are you using the libflashplayer plugin? |
| geek_seriouslycgi | November 21, 2008, 12:27 am | #215 |
| 128mb grpahics 512mb ram? |
| geek_sirfer | November 21, 2008, 10:27 am | #216 |
| How's this for the power of Debian? esp for 0800xford....http://images.trademe.co.nz/photoserver/42/81112842_full.jpg....check about halfway down ;o)...on a wireless router/modem too |
| geek_0800xford | November 21, 2008, 2:07 pm | #217 |
| i've got a bit of a cyborg OS at the moment, pinpointing exactly what is killing who and when isn't too easy ha ha =p sirfer, dude, let me introduce you to [http://is.gd/] ;) p4 3GHz HT turned off [don't ask] 7600gt AGP gfx 2GB ram. |
| geek_seriouslycgi | November 21, 2008, 5:07 pm | #218 |
| 6 full credit to the debian mirrors then i brag when i get 700k out of them lol (not often these days) |
| geek_0800xford | November 21, 2008, 5:14 pm | #219 |
| that's roughly what i get here, also not so often. i *expect* about 400~500 constant =s |
| geek_sirfer | November 21, 2008, 6:27 pm | #220 |
| Yeah i thought about http://is.gd but was in a hurry... |
| geek_0800xford | November 21, 2008, 6:31 pm | #221 |
| i got ribbed for using it yesterday ha ha =p hey i have a quick 'think aloud' moment for you dude. |
| geek_0800xford | November 21, 2008, 6:38 pm | #222 |
| $ think-aloud /on xubuntu had a tickbox to 'scroll workspaces with mousewheel' i'm not seeing this anywhere? am i blind? ctrl+alt+arrow is available but annoying and i *can* scroll workspaces with the mousewheel providing i'm over the workspace switcher. do you guys have this? |
| geek_sirfer | November 21, 2008, 6:54 pm | #223 |
| Where was the setting located? I think I am blind... |
| geek_rua69 | November 21, 2008, 7:40 pm | #224 |
| 2 sure do mouse over workspaces, right click, properties, make choice |
| geek_0800xford | November 21, 2008, 7:53 pm | #225 |
| not here mang - http://is.gd/8osI |
| geek_rua69 | November 21, 2008, 8:05 pm | #226 |
| ??that looks like gnome workspace prefs box to me |
| geek_0800xford | November 21, 2008, 8:10 pm | #227 |
| i think it's not an option my default in debian. you have xfce right? i'll have to get my h4xx0r on. |
| geek_0800xford | November 21, 2008, 8:11 pm | #228 |
| by not my. |
| geek_rua69 | November 21, 2008, 8:12 pm | #229 |
| I have gnome too. Let me know if you find a way of truncating filenames, especially on the desktopGoogle has failed me |
| geek_rua69 | November 21, 2008, 8:14 pm | #230 |
| I think I installed a whole bunch of xfce extensions onceI can't remember their namessynaptic will know |
| geek_0800xford | November 21, 2008, 8:21 pm | #231 |
| uggh, desktop icons ha ha you're on your own with that one man =) |
| geek_rua69 | November 21, 2008, 8:38 pm | #232 |
| Http://is.gd/8oCo *drums fingers* |
| geek_0800xford | November 21, 2008, 8:42 pm | #233 |
| i'm sure there's a way to shrink the text size for folders. using debian/xfce now and can scroll workspaces no worries. your 'directions' up there produce the expected result in xfce, just not debian/gnome. |
| geek_0800xford | November 21, 2008, 8:44 pm | #234 |
| see - http://is.gd/8oDR o/t monteiths is fvckin' good drop. |
| geek_0800xford | November 21, 2008, 8:52 pm | #235 |
| rua re xubuntu workspaces: i'm in xfce/debian now and can create more than 2 without problem. |
| geek_rua69 | November 21, 2008, 9:19 pm | #236 |
| Tried this one, xford? http://is.gd/8oI5 |
| geek_0800xford | November 21, 2008, 11:43 pm | #237 |
| ha ha i almost misread that as "post whore" and nah i haven't. |
| geek_sirfer | November 22, 2008, 11:36 am | #238 |
| Hey 0800xford re 2 I *can* scroll thru workspaces using the mouse wheel on empty desktop space |
| geek_seriouslycgi | November 22, 2008, 12:32 pm | #239 |
| Alt ctrl left and right works too sorry i have no idea what you guys are doing lol just though this post needed more useless info added so heres my contribution |
| geek_0800xford | November 22, 2008, 12:34 pm | #240 |
| read post 2 mate. |
| geek_seriouslycgi | November 22, 2008, 1:30 pm | #241 |
| Tried pressing ctrl or alt when you turn the wheel sorry i havent used xfce much. its alt+scroll in enlightenment. |
| geek_0800xford | November 22, 2008, 1:38 pm | #242 |
| yeah tried that. it's a debian 'thing' apparently. i can enable it by editing some stuff. the number of requests to *disable* workspace scrolling convinced the devs to just remove it for default installs so i've read. thanks for the suggestion =) |
| geek_0800xford | November 22, 2008, 2:56 pm | #243 |
| i'm going to swap some cards and stuff around, see if can convince ALSA to work [reliably] with differing hardware, then maybe a full reinstall custom repo mission, awesome =) |
| geek_sirfer | November 22, 2008, 4:29 pm | #244 |
| 1 enlightenment? ewwwwXD |
| geek_0800xford | November 22, 2008, 5:36 pm | #245 |
| uggh, do i do this in place or on the bench. Bartok /on ha ha =p |
| geek_seriouslycgi | November 22, 2008, 8:15 pm | #246 |
| 4 whats wrong with e17? there are some real cool time savers in enlightenment that why i like it. and its simple plus its had a dock for quick launch icons forever that everyone seems to be all over right now have you used it lately? http://images.trademe.co.nz/photoserver/78/81111778_full.jpg |
| geek_0800xford | November 22, 2008, 10:10 pm | #247 |
| that went well, removed the m-audio 2496 and added a soundblaster emu10k1x left the cmedia cmi8738 in. all is well, ALSA cooperates with this combo. i'll stick the m-audio 2496 in the windows box. now i can have 0% audio downtime! FTW! seriouslycgi that wall reminds me of a nvidia set i got from some place, i'll put up a link if i find it. |
| geek_sirfer | November 22, 2008, 10:15 pm | #248 |
| 6 haha nothing really ;o) i've only got as far as e16... |
| geek_sirfer | November 22, 2008, 10:16 pm | #249 |
| 6 and which repo did you use to install? I don't think e17 is in the debian repos yet... |
| geek_0800xford | November 22, 2008, 10:51 pm | #250 |
| it's this one - [http://is.gd/8xIN] i'm not seeing the original here. i like this tiled too - [http://is.gd/8xH8] see that 8xh8 ha ha =p |
| geek_0800xford | November 24, 2008, 1:33 am | #251 |
| cool, now that i have compatible hardware and reliable audio playback it's time for some listening tests. 1:30am may not be the ideal time to cane some fantomas though - http://is.gd/8FdD 251 and no redundant posts, epic. so, you guys are using ext3, xfs, reiser or what? |
| geek_seriouslycgi | November 24, 2008, 12:38 pm | #252 |
| 9 sorry im using arch now. http://tinyurl.com/6hdd64 |
| geek_sirfer | November 24, 2008, 1:08 pm | #253 |
| 2 yeah done that already seems no way to install without lots of mucking about so I left it on the backburner...using ext3, fat and ntfs here :o) |
| geek_0800xford | November 24, 2008, 1:36 pm | #254 |
| might be time for some file system experimentation soon, i'm seeing a hat with bits of paper in it or when next i partition a random eyes closed wheel scroll =p |
| geek_0800xford | November 28, 2008, 2:59 am | #255 |
| debian seems really secure, X/Ubuntu lets you change security settings and passwords etc quite easily by comparison, maybe it's just because i'm used to X/Ubuntu. anyway TTT epic thread =] |
| geek_0800xford | November 29, 2008, 9:15 pm | #256 |
| cool, i get to practise nvidia driver installation again. just dug through this thread again for the links, one of the walkthroughs worked. |
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