465gb on a brand new 500gb hdd

465gb on a brand new 500gb hdd it's bullshit. I hate marketing.

geek_vicvic, Apr 14, 1:28 pm

???? could you explain as the ESP isn't working today

geek_swivel, Apr 14, 1:30 pm

Its cause they are using the "metric" gigabytes instead of the "binary" gigabytes and just dividing the 499289948160 bytes buy 1000000000 to get the 500gig figure

geek_pc_nut, Apr 14, 1:38 pm

You never get what's advertised with HDDs the more you buy the more you lose

geek_vicvic, Apr 14, 1:39 pm

Why do they advertise it like that? it seems like false advertising to me. It's like buying a large combo with small fries, it's still a combo but they ripped you off a bit.

geek_vicvic, Apr 14, 1:40 pm

..... Its labeled if 1gb = 1000mb but when its really 1gb = 1024mb thats why in windows its smaller than what the label says. Marketing con? maybe.. You still have "500gb" Just windows is measuring it different.

geek_psx_man, Apr 14, 2:38 pm

So how do you get the full 500gb? is it possible?

geek_vicvic, Apr 14, 2:39 pm


geek__sexylady_, Apr 14, 2:40 pm

At least *Nope* within a windows environment (probably includes a Linux environment as well)

geek__sexylady_, Apr 14, 2:45 pm

... Yea I have 4 500gb 7200rpm drive in raid and the manufactures always market the drives as 1gb = as 1000mb instead of 1024 so over 500gb that mounts up

geek_wholesaler, Apr 14, 3:08 pm

Some computer manufacturers like toshiba hp compaw nec and IBM use a hidden partition for the system recovery so one does not always get the max hdd space. windows as a rule doesnt read 500gb outright

geek_dj_philmeister, Apr 15, 7:42 am

Wow...50gb is alot normally i expect up to 5-10gb.

geek_deus701, Apr 15, 8:51 am

You loose about 7.5% on Gb .

geek_dougstringer, Apr 15, 8:56 am

NTFS also takes some of the diskspace for system files, as all of the file systems do. And, NTFS allocates diskspace in fixed cluster sizes, so there will always be a piece of wasted space at the end of the last cluster. So your disk might be 75% full, but maybe only 60% of that is your actual data.

geek_gyrogearloose, Apr 15, 11:14 am

15% ?? when you say system files you mean stuff like windows, program files ? Otherwise you've got something wrong with your formatting

geek_woogmo, Apr 15, 11:45 am

I didn't mean 15% as a literal fact rather to illustrate that you can't actually put 500GB of data on a disk that has 500GB of platter, because the formatting takes some, and the wasted space at the end of the cluster takes some too. This would be very apparent with a lot of small files.

geek_gyrogearloose, Apr 15, 12:59 pm

500 gb is the.. unformatted size

geek_artywill, Apr 15, 5:04 pm

The 500 GB figure is more like 499289948160 bytes which if you calculate properly gives the 465GiB figure plus formatting only uses a few megabytes if that for the system area and file tables

geek_pc_nut, Apr 15, 5:50 pm

#18... correct, complete with the correct use of the GiB as the unit. Not the stuff that walls are made of :)

geek_gobi, Apr 15, 7:49 pm

You paid for 500 billion bytes and thats what you got.

geek_kingzzz, Apr 15, 8:17 pm

@16 Yeah you lose a lot with bigger cluster size's AND this is apparent with LOTS of files NOT just depending on size. (four 2 GB files will pad out with roughly as may Zero's a four 2KB text)

geek_rlr29, Apr 15, 8:20 pm

For some reason, you get more space on maxtor drives than western digital. Thats my own experience though

geek_deus701, Apr 15, 11:37 pm