Whats the best VPN provider!

I'm in the VPN market because of this stupid new law. Whats your recommendations for a provider that wont take action if you download the occasional torrent, I'm not a big torrent user, it's more just to be safe, and to access country restricted content
I know there are thousands out there and I've read heaps of reviews and forums, I just wanna know what you guys think is the best from your experiences
Thanks in advance

geek_rugbyreff, Sep 14, 2:12 pm


Seems to be what everyone is talking about

geek_charles.j, Sep 14, 2:15 pm

So you would rent one of the servers, install a torrent client on it and then download the file to your home machine!

geek_rugbyreff, Sep 14, 2:19 pm

I haven't done it personally. But I know people who do. A friend of mine has one in canada too(apparently it's legal there!).

All they do, is download whatever they want on their VPS and bring it back to NZ at the end of the month(on their last day of the month) as they don't have much bandwidth/have very slow speeds due to where they are.

geek_charles.j, Sep 14, 2:22 pm

Oh right, bandwidth isn't a problem for me because my data and speed are completely unlimited. I don't want to be paying too much either but having an additional server to hide behind wouldn't hurt all the same

geek_rugbyreff, Sep 14, 2:28 pm

I've used Swiss VPN for years without any issues :)

geek_suicidemonkey, Sep 14, 2:37 pm

Thanks, I'll check them out. Any others anyone would like to recommend!

geek_rugbyreff, Sep 14, 2:50 pm

But as posted a while ago, If the police go and ask who owns/uses them, the Providers will openly give the details of the users. So legal but with loopholes the law can use if you don't live in Canada

geek_swivel, Sep 14, 3:57 pm

But all data sent via the VPN is encrypted (well for the one I use anyway) so even if they look closer they wouldn't be able to see what you've been downloading.

that's my understanding anyway. could be wrong.

geek_suicidemonkey, Sep 14, 4:21 pm

has some of the best ratings in VPN reviews

geek_brucie44, Sep 14, 4:48 pm

I use HMA, only problem I have is a dramatic drop in speeds.Although our area is up for UFB so I guess that will make a positive difference, but then again the drop in speed maybe at the international tunnel so maybe it wont make a difference !The actual program runs well, easy to use and setup.Have tried a few and speed seems to be a universal issue.

geek_teroopu, Sep 14, 6:35 pm

I've been looking at HMA as well and thought someone would mention it but I had heard the same thing about speeds dropping a bit. What is the percentage it dropped for you!

geek_rugbyreff, Sep 14, 7:03 pm

my understanding is that VPN approx halves your speed.

geek_brucie44, Sep 14, 9:06 pm

Totally depends on the VPN. I can get 8-9mbit down on SwissVPN on my 12-13mbit connection.

geek_suicidemonkey, Sep 14, 9:13 pm

Swiss VPN only go through Switzerland, not other countries dont they!

geek_rugbyreff, Sep 14, 9:43 pm


geek_suicidemonkey, Sep 14, 9:57 pm

The closer the server you are connecting to, the better.

With HMA VPN I get on average 8+mbit to LA from my 19mbit connection. Australia I don't really notice a change.

geek_profink, Sep 14, 10:43 pm

Thats good to know. The USA is the country I will probably be connectiong through the most

geek_rugbyreff, Sep 15, 2:42 am

I haven't done it personally. But I know people who do. A friend of mine has one in canada too(apparently it's legal there!).

All they do, is download whatever they want on their VPS and bring it back to NZ at the end of the month as they don't have much bandwidth/have very slow speeds due to where they are.

geek_charles.j, Sep 15, 2:22 pm

I just tried HMA and I about 30KB/s to Australia. I wonder why so shit when yours is so good.

geek_puddleduck00, Sep 15, 6:11 pm

http://www.hidemyass.com - You could also buy a seedbox which is more secure but having said that your bandwidth is unlimited, a VPN is the best solution for you.

geek_systemdc, Sep 15, 6:37 pm

Thats about the same as me :( , Interesting what was said about using a Switzerland site, might try that.I also thought going closer to Oz would result in higher speeds but there was no difference using Oz or Singapore.Will give the Swiss a crack.

geek_teroopu, Sep 15, 7:15 pm

Great speeds congrats. Did you do any port forwarding!

geek_teroopu, Sep 15, 7:17 pm

The data is encrypted between the download and the VPN and then between the VPN and you, so your ISP and anyone else can't snoop and see what data is being transferred. However, the place you're downloading from (so if it's a torrent, anyone in the swarm) will still see the VPN's IP address. That's unavoidable, and it means right-holders or the police of whoever could easily find out someone downloaded the file using the VPN and potentially ask the VPN for details on that customer.

geek_bussani, Sep 15, 7:18 pm

geek_poco131, Sep 15, 7:56 pm

Thats a good discussion, thanks for posting it

geek_rugbyreff, Sep 16, 2:18 pm

Thinking around the current legislation (purely as a mental exercise) have you considered a seedbox!Basically a server in a country outside NZ US or AU that has a torrent client and GBs of storage and unlimited bandwidth.Basically it seems the seedbox downloads (and seeds) torrents to your order and you just FTP the files off when you are ready (offpeak rates!).This is using any protocol and port you choose HTTP/FTP SCP etc.

geek_timvdw, Sep 16, 2:34 pm

Never mind VPN - who is your ISP and where are you getting those speeds.I have a theoretical max of 6Mbs on my Telecom infra

geek_timvdw, Sep 16, 2:39 pm

Yes I have given thought to a seedbox as well, but there seems to be some problems in that the company owning the seedboxes can look into what you have stored and if it breaches copyright they terminate your account. I would rather for that not to happen. And to be safe I would use a VPN in conjunction with a seedbox if necessary

geek_rugbyreff, Sep 16, 4:31 pm

I've tried a socks5 torrent proxy (BTguard), BT guard VPN and HMA VPN. All are ridiculously slow. I'm on Slungshit.

geek_puddleduck00, Sep 16, 5:01 pm

seedbox companies are generally well aware that the vast majority of their customers will be using the seedbox for copyright infringement, and if they started kicking people off for that they'd quickly be out of business. The better ones refuse to keep any logs as well, so that if they're ordered by a court to hand over all their records there's nothing to hand over.

geek_little_egypt, Sep 16, 5:30 pm

I just tried HMA and I about 30KB/s to Australia. I wonder why speed is so shit when yours is so good.

geek_puddleduck00, Sep 16, 6:11 pm

But most VPNs can also see what you're downloading, and may even be quicker to terminate accounts than seedboxes. A lot of VPNs don't even allow the use of torrents on their services.

geek_bussani, Sep 16, 6:17 pm

I know HMAS don't, they say it on their website and in their T&C and its all over the internet that they don't care

geek_rugbyreff, Sep 16, 6:29 pm

True, is a good idea to read the FAQ before signing up to a VPN. I'm yet to find a decent VPN.

geek_puddleduck00, Sep 16, 7:55 pm

Yeah I'm sure you and I aren't the only ones!

geek_rugbyreff, Sep 16, 8:56 pm

Yes from the VPN. But not to the VPN. So if they are watching whats going to the VPN, then they will be able to work out whats going from the VPN. Plus if you have a VPN (in your name) and pirated stuff is going there, then think about it.


geek_swivel, Sep 16, 9:05 pm

I'm fairly sure that a VPN encrypts the entire connection, not just one way, otherwise it would be an almost worthless technology

geek_rugbyreff, Sep 16, 9:15 pm

Now that depends what you use from the file to the VPN, and most p2p etc doesn't do it.

geek_swivel, Sep 16, 10:12 pm

Hell who cares, you get 2 notices then just change to another ISP

geek_swivel, Sep 16, 10:13 pm

I kind of want to at least try and avoid any notices, and theres no other decent provider of unlimited bandwidth plans apart from Kinect which is who I am with

geek_rugbyreff, Sep 17, 1:34 am

have been trying out Astrill today and by far it is the fastest VPN I've used.Didnt even notice any loss of speeds when conected to Austria, Switzerland or US.Thanks for the headsup Pocoz.

geek_teroopu, Sep 17, 4:21 am

Thats good news, what others have you tried, out of interest

geek_rugbyreff, Sep 17, 3:35 pm

You're welcome :) After much much research, I had it narrowed down to hide my ass or astrill. Did a trial with both. Hma was almost unusable for me it was so slow, but astrill is awesome. I don't notice any speed loss either, and when I'm watching some of the programs I miss from Canada, there's no buffering. How I wish I had known about this for the winter Olympics so I could have watched Canadian commentators!

Another option (and free) for those that want to watch tv in the states is anchor shield. As far as I could figure out you could only get a Yankee ip addy so it was no good for watching programs from a different country other than the states, but it worked well when I tried it.


geek_poco131, Sep 17, 6:28 pm

i use www.cyberdodge.co.nz it's a nz based company, works in nz dollars. Pretty awsome, worth every cent, have been using it for a week now. Signing up to a 1 year package when this current week expires. Cheapest out there as other vpn companies work in us dollars.

Lets stick it to the goverment with a nz based vpn system :D

geek_jacqui069, Sep 17, 7:32 pm

Their prices are comparatively more expensive compared to others out there. And I dont like the idea of a NZ based company when it com,es to revealing details about users

geek_rugbyreff, Sep 17, 7:35 pm

The servers aren't nz based. Read the details :\. They are cheaper, if you look at the prices and actually follow through on a purchase they all want you to pay in USD not NZD. Seems like i'm saving a fair bit when you take into account the currency change over.

They also state in their terms and conditions. They only keep logs for 48 hours, based more to keep an eye on pedo porn lovers, spam mail all that kind of stuff. Torrenting and downloading p2p is totally fine. That and you can also access american internet tv :D

geek_jacqui069, Sep 17, 9:48 pm

Ummm theyre expensive . Astrill for a 3 month plan is NZ$12 a month thats $36 , Cyberdodge is $50 . even more expensive if you get the 1 year plan.

not taking a dig or anything just pointing it out

geek_aragorn2003, Sep 17, 10:04 pm

Like I said, theyre on the expensive side. And theres companies out there who say they (supposedly) dont keep logs at all

geek_rugbyreff, Sep 17, 11:44 pm

Cyberdodge is $160NZ per year. Astrill is $70US, which when converted is around $85-90NZ, which is a considerable savings. Actually all of Cyberdodge's plans are more expensive by a fair margin, even taking into account paying in USD. Paying in USD doesn't necessarily mean paying more.

geek_poco131, Sep 18, 12:33 am