Do any ISP's allow you to use your connection on.

Multiple locations?
Ive bought a second property down the street and am hoping i can use my same Orcon connection without having to open a second account.
I know that if the line has ADSL, I should be able to connect with my router, but i dont believe its possible to use two routers on two seperate locations on the same account at the same time.

If anyone has done such a thing, im interested to hear.

geek_nzoomed, Apr 24, 12:34 pm

No, one connection per site. This is how Chorus charge Orcon and any other ISP. Can you see one site from the other? If so you could put in a wireless link between sites.

geek_pyro_sniper2002, Apr 24, 1:15 pm

You're meant to be a tech ?!

geek_ross1970, Apr 24, 1:47 pm

cheap and easy point to point wireless if you have line of site

geek_brycer, Apr 24, 1:52 pm

Try it. They will connect to the isp or they won't.
They will charge you for the data you use as per usual. They don't care how many computers you have connected, it will just be a matter of seeing if two modems can connect at the same time.

Let us know.

geek_mechnificent, Apr 24, 2:21 pm

2 modems = no unless you can send by wireless from yr modem = no
if you can run a cable to the other house = yes
if you have other people between then ask if you can run a cable along the fences which of course you did not say if it was 100m away or 400m

geek_kevymtnz, Apr 24, 2:27 pm

I would have said awhile ago that one would bump the other offline when connecting each.
nowdays they seem to be using the port based authentication on a lot of connections so I can't actually see that the other line will ever connect unless the BB is on and paid for
Basically no

geek_king1, Apr 24, 3:38 pm



The following from a Vodafone help page suggest you can:

"Resold Modem/Routers
If a modem is to be resold, or gifted to someone else then the user information will need to be cleared from the device. If someone else connects a modem/router onto the internet with your username and password, then you will be responsible for their usage. "

https://telstraclear.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/1657

geek_wembley1, Apr 24, 4:07 pm

Just build a simple wireless bridge using a pair of dishes and mikrotik Metal device

geek_lucky.gadgets, Apr 24, 5:17 pm

As long as both properties have a dsl signal you'll have no problems. If your with spark or Vodafone you no longer need unique username or passwords to connect. I've done it at 4 properties all working at the same time.

geek_loud_37, Apr 24, 5:42 pm

But point to point wireless would be a better solution

geek_loud_37, Apr 24, 5:45 pm



Yes, and from my experience ive had a customer with a high data bill, as it turned out they had sold their old router on Trademe and the buyer had been using it with those settings saved in the router According to telstraclear, they told me that 2 routers were in use at the same time.
At the time i never thought it was possible, but they claimed it was so IDK anymore. We changed the password and the problem was solved.
Would be cool if i could do this even if i had to pay a little extra on my bill, it would make things alot cheaper.

If a wireless bridge would work, it would be great both properties would be about 200-300m away

geek_nzoomed, Apr 24, 6:27 pm


sweet, that confirms what i have been thinking.

geek_nzoomed, Apr 24, 6:29 pm


But to get a connection, you need an active account . anyways

geek_mrfxit, Apr 24, 6:33 pm



That what you describe is what I thought would happen. You get two modems logged on, but you will still only get the data you pay for . They don't care if you sign in with ten modems. they will sell more data.
It works the same if you add more computers at home. still your data.

geek_mechnificent, Apr 24, 6:40 pm

Why would the 2nd property have BB if it hasn't an active account? Each property is unique and needs an account to be active.
The info about validation with passwords is obsolete and out-dated, it's all controlled through the phone line nowdays. I doubt there are any ISP's left in NZ that use password authentication anymore. Certainly not Spark, Slingshot, Flip, Orcon, Snap that I know of. I'm not sure about Vodafone, but would be surprised if it still is password Authenticated. Telstraclear, Ihug etc are all defunct now and come under Vodafone.

geek_d.snell, Apr 24, 7:21 pm

yep Voda is port based - I inadvertently set one up using user@xtrabb.co.nz a few months back and it connected fine.

geek_king1, Apr 24, 7:35 pm


Yep, thought so, So the answer to the original question is NO, you can't use 1 BB account in 2 places, because the BB won't be livened up until it has is own account.

geek_d.snell, Apr 24, 7:46 pm



CLASSIC FAIL

he who says "Been in the computer industry for the past 22 years and prior to that, I was in the telecommunications industry for 17 years" .

Doesn't know how to enable a simple solution.

I've met people like you .

. they say it can't be done (but, what they means is "I don't know how to do it")

LOLOLOLOLOL

PS, all those 39 years of experience - where they earned in the NZPO/Telecom/Spark center of "I don't know how to do it"?

?

geek_nztechstore, Apr 24, 7:59 pm



Not all ISP's do, and if its not their "provided" router you typically have to use the default username and password, eg for spark, its user@xtrabb.co.nz and anything for a password will work.

geek_nzoomed, Apr 24, 8:06 pm

well the voda one I did several months back was on an old telecom dsl 604T modem (hence the reason I programmed it for Telecom). It still worked.
And subsequently talking to Vodafone later on, the voice on the other end of the line told me Voda had switched to port based authentication in some areas, which to my mind would suggest that something needs to be turned on at the other end for each property.

geek_king1, Apr 24, 8:19 pm

ultimately, the only way to find out is to try it and let us know - it would certainly be a damn site easier than setting up a wireless bridge solution

geek_king1, Apr 24, 8:21 pm

No more beersies for you me thinks

geek_king1, Apr 24, 8:24 pm

I used to use my dial up connection at multiple locations, though never tried at the same time.
Given my understanding of ADSL, I think not.

geek_oclaf, Apr 24, 8:27 pm


Well I just set a modem up for flip the other day, and they are part of the M2 Group so, Slingshot, Orcon and flip are all included. Their website said to use the flip account number @ flip.co.nz for username, and password that you created when you signed up. The customer didn't have any of these handy, so I just used fred and fred for them both and it worked. A later call to flip confirmed they no longer need paswords and usernames to authenticate any more and you can put in anything you like.

geek_d.snell, Apr 24, 8:36 pm



"beersies" are not acceptable currency.

$450 per hour and David can get an education.

Although, at his IQ, it will cost him 10 hours of futility.

geek_nztechstore, Apr 24, 8:38 pm

Your phone and broadband connection are linked aren't they?

geek_mr-word, Apr 24, 9:04 pm


Just changed my Xtra Modem from user@xtrabb.co.nz to "anything" and it connects just fine. So your theory is out the window.

geek_d.snell, Apr 24, 9:09 pm


What are you prattling on about?

geek_d.snell, Apr 24, 9:10 pm



Well it wasnt that long ago that i had to use user@xtrabb.co.nz to work on a router.
They must have changed it recently, again, not all ISP's work in this manner, i regularly see customers with such simple issues as an incorrect user name and password in their router.

geek_nzoomed, Apr 24, 10:42 pm


Thats pretty cool if that is the case now, will make my job alot easier lol.
Anyway, this doesnt surprise me that callplus is doing that, as flip/slingshot/orcon are all basically the same ISP just under different brands and this would make it easy for them.

I know with providers such as Kinect that the full login details are required to work.
I also expect that any valid username and password will still override such connections though, as i often test customers ADSL routers on my orcon line and if its a vodafone or xnet connection for example, they work perfect on my line and i can only assume its connecting through their ISP and not my orcon connection.

geek_nzoomed, Apr 24, 10:48 pm



Ive also got a friend who is a chorus technician who can probably "fix" that end at the exchange for me!
lol its just a jumper they have to bridge at the exchange AFAIK.

geek_nzoomed, Apr 24, 10:50 pm

That's very risky for your Tech Friend, I could see his career at chorus ending very abruptly. Also, possibly paralleling up 2 places from the same port may work but I wouldn't like to guarantee SNR or Attenuation and I'm sure it wouldn't be able to work simultaneously, or if it did, not very reliably. It would be one place or the other.

geek_d.snell, Apr 25, 9:35 am

just had a think about this and of course it wouldn't work simultaneously. It would be the same as plugging two modem/routers into different jackpoints in the same house. Same wiring system, 2 wire parallel.
Also, Chorus cut away the tails off the line because it causes too much disturbance to the line conditions and affects speed dramatically. Imagine what a complete new branch to a second location would do. Probably be better off to sticking with Dial Up, as I'm sure that would be a damn sight faster than the result you would get with the proposal here.

geek_d.snell, Apr 25, 10:38 am



Well we will wait and see! lol
I can probably turn my router off at the other house at times anyway.
And its not the same as having two routers on the same phone line, they are seperate phone lines all connected at the exchange, i was referring to my chorus "friend" terminating the line at the exchange for ADSL, as the line could be totally disconnected from everything in the exchange; not to connect the two lines together if thats what you were thinking.

Anyway, i know someone else who had a friend who worked for telecom at the time (now chorus) and he managed to set up an ethernet connection to his property over the road using the phone lines!
It worked fine, but was only 10 Mb/s which at the time was fast enough for him to network the two homes together, as wifi improved with speed, he just just used a wifi bridge across the road instead.

geek_nzoomed, Apr 25, 1:04 pm

Yes, you could set up Ethernet, it's easy, we had TV running over the phone lines 20 years ago. Not legal, but, hey, it works.
For BB though, the ports in the exchange all have to have accounts associated with them, so if no one is paying, the port won't work. If you are connecting 2 houses to a single port and plugging a router into each, that's exactly the same as 2 routers in different Jackpoints in the same house.
Also, as I said, the line would be that unbalanced and noisy, it would be that slow, it would be useless, and why would you cripple your own service all the time for the sake of having a "free" connection elsewhere?

geek_d.snell, Apr 25, 1:15 pm


If it doesnt work ill open another account, our ISP may be able to add another line to our account anyway.

geek_nzoomed, Apr 25, 1:48 pm

You can hook to modums together to extend your WiFi etc Your main modum has a phone line into it & the one has no phone line & you have to turn DHCP off ( auto addressing) works a treat

geek_timberman, Apr 26, 5:16 pm

All you're doing there turning the modem off and using the router as a wireless repeater. Easier to just use an extender, but the speed between the router will half, so with 300bps routers it will be 150bps at the access point or 2nd router.

geek_d.snell, Apr 26, 9:18 pm



Your friend would be risking his job if he did something like that. They need a work order to provision a service to the particular ISP. If it's port based authentication, the ISP will also have the VLAN IDs that Chorus provide recorded in their system in order to authenticate you.

If you have two addresses, you need two connections.

geek_wendy2, Jan 13, 4:21 pm

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